Comments on: Those Obscene Octuplets http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/ What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:25:59 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Cincy Report » Return of the revenge of the daughter of the Welfare Queen http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/#comment-20064 Cincy Report » Return of the revenge of the daughter of the Welfare Queen Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:35:58 +0000 http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/?p=345#comment-20064 [...] I read this analysis of the situation, which I think does a good job of explaining the outrage. The great storm of [...] [...] I read this analysis of the situation, which I think does a good job of explaining the outrage. The great storm of [...]

]]> By: Recent discussions - some links « PhD Research Blog http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/#comment-20055 Recent discussions - some links « PhD Research Blog Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:18:25 +0000 http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/?p=345#comment-20055 [...] USAn bloggers identified misogynistic / controlling overtones of the furor surrounding Suleman (The Kugelmass Episodes, The Angry Black Woman, Sybil Vane at Bitch [...] [...] USAn bloggers identified misogynistic / controlling overtones of the furor surrounding Suleman (The Kugelmass Episodes, The Angry Black Woman, Sybil Vane at Bitch [...]

]]> By: Return of the revenge of the daughter of the Welfare Queen « The Angry Black Woman http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/#comment-20050 Return of the revenge of the daughter of the Welfare Queen « The Angry Black Woman Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:24:58 +0000 http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/?p=345#comment-20050 [...] I read this analysis of the situation, which I think does a good job of explaining the outrage. The great storm of [...] [...] I read this analysis of the situation, which I think does a good job of explaining the outrage. The great storm of [...]

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Nadya Suleman Receives Death Threats http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/#comment-20049 Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Nadya Suleman Receives Death Threats Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:40:10 +0000 http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/?p=345#comment-20049 [...] Kugelmass has it right: this actually has very little to do with who has to pay what and how many kids an unemployed single mother should or shouldn’t have. You don’t get this type of widespread, hyper-violent reaction from a question of economics - not even, I would argue, from people disgusted with the Wall Street bailouts. No, this is about “the worship of motherhood and the hatred of mothers.” And I don’t think you can have one without the other. [...] [...] Kugelmass has it right: this actually has very little to do with who has to pay what and how many kids an unemployed single mother should or shouldn’t have. You don’t get this type of widespread, hyper-violent reaction from a question of economics – not even, I would argue, from people disgusted with the Wall Street bailouts. No, this is about “the worship of motherhood and the hatred of mothers.” And I don’t think you can have one without the other. [...]

]]> By: Nadya Suleman Receives Death Threats « Modern Mitzvot http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/#comment-20048 Nadya Suleman Receives Death Threats « Modern Mitzvot Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:37:12 +0000 http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/?p=345#comment-20048 [...] Kugelmass has it right: this actually has very little to do with who has to pay what and how many kids an unemployed single mother should or shouldn’t have. You don’t get this type of widespread, hyper-violent reaction from a question of economics - not even, I would argue, from people disgusted with the Wall Street bailouts. No, this is about “the worship of motherhood and the hatred of mothers.” And I don’t think you can have one without the other. [...] [...] Kugelmass has it right: this actually has very little to do with who has to pay what and how many kids an unemployed single mother should or shouldn’t have. You don’t get this type of widespread, hyper-violent reaction from a question of economics – not even, I would argue, from people disgusted with the Wall Street bailouts. No, this is about “the worship of motherhood and the hatred of mothers.” And I don’t think you can have one without the other. [...]

]]> By: profacero http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/#comment-20047 profacero Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:51:54 +0000 http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/?p=345#comment-20047 "It is the worship of motherhood, and the hatred of mothers." Yes, that sums it up. I am of course against anyone having any children - we need to reverse population growth. My theory is that some people will be born anyway, so the species won't die out. But no new people is a good goal since realistically it means we might then get just enough new ones instead of too many. I also think the idea that everyone should get to have children is strange. I think people who are desperate to have children and can't conceive but are not willing to adopt are not really that interested in raising children, just in reproducing themselves. However, it's weird how upset people are at Suleiman and the tone they're taking. I do doubt it is possible for one person to take care of 14 babies and toddlers BUT people are freaking out for misogynistic reasons, basically. “It is the worship of motherhood, and the hatred of mothers.”

Yes, that sums it up.

I am of course against anyone having any children – we need to reverse population growth. My theory is that some people will be born anyway, so the species won’t die out. But no new people is a good goal since realistically it means we might then get just enough new ones instead of too many.

I also think the idea that everyone should get to have children is strange. I think people who are desperate to have children and can’t conceive but are not willing to adopt are not really that interested in raising children, just in reproducing themselves.

However, it’s weird how upset people are at Suleiman and the tone they’re taking. I do doubt it is possible for one person to take care of 14 babies and toddlers BUT people are freaking out for misogynistic reasons, basically.

]]> By: Lawson http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/those-obscene-octuplets/#comment-20045 Lawson Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:13:00 +0000 http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/?p=345#comment-20045 brilliant piece, such a clear demystification of the 'right to life' dictum. i just don't know if you implicitly (in phrases like "a vivid demonstration of the price that our country pays") replace one form of 'using' the mother with another, though - as if she is 'foolish' because she failed to realise that (the amount of) children should be managed on an economistic level of 'cost-benefit' to society. There's something just as troubling about this neo-liberal submission of motherhood (which inevitably must involve real mothers) to means other than just the fact of procreation. Or am I parsing out the claims wrong? brilliant piece, such a clear demystification of the ‘right to life’ dictum. i just don’t know if you implicitly (in phrases like “a vivid demonstration of the price that our country pays”) replace one form of ‘using’ the mother with another, though – as if she is ‘foolish’ because she failed to realise that (the amount of) children should be managed on an economistic level of ‘cost-benefit’ to society. There’s something just as troubling about this neo-liberal submission of motherhood (which inevitably must involve real mothers) to means other than just the fact of procreation. Or am I parsing out the claims wrong?

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