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		<title>By: Ray Davis</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-9860</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ach! The zeitgeist! It has us! From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/opinion/22gilbert.html?_r=2&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;New York Times&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.justinelarbalestier.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Justine Larbalestier&lt;/a&gt;):

&quot;I can’t help but wonder if perhaps I.Q. is going out of style. Maybe pure intellect, once so revered, is becoming something of a party trick, like double-jointedness, or the ability to sing drinking songs in German.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ach! The zeitgeist! It has us! From the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/opinion/22gilbert.html?_r=2&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow"><i>New York Times</i></a> (via <a href="http://www.justinelarbalestier.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">Justine Larbalestier</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;I can’t help but wonder if perhaps I.Q. is going out of style. Maybe pure intellect, once so revered, is becoming something of a party trick, like double-jointedness, or the ability to sing drinking songs in German.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-9453</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

I &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; Bloom&#039;s book; the fact that I consider it to be partly inspired by a creative failure is not a criticism of its content. In fact, I think that Bloom&#039;s description of the virtuosic desperation evident in Pynchon hews very close to my own discussion of &quot;noodling&quot; in this post. Going along with Rich&#039;s comment, I think the idea that Bloom wanted to be a creative writer and failed should be completely non-controversial. Bloom himself notes that he wrote &lt;i&gt;The Anxiety of Influence&lt;/i&gt;, ostensibly about creative artists, after a nervous breakdown and depressive period when he did nothing but read Emerson and Freud.

I get the gist of your second point, for sure -- keeping faith with intelligence helps prevent us from judging people according to their success on the market. However, it makes so much more sense to describe Reardon as someone who has written two novels he can&#039;t sell, than it does to describe him as someone intelligent. In the former case, society is unjustly ignoring him; in the latter, it&#039;s too bad that the books don&#039;t find an audience, but he could presumably do something else instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>I <i>like</i> Bloom&#8217;s book; the fact that I consider it to be partly inspired by a creative failure is not a criticism of its content. In fact, I think that Bloom&#8217;s description of the virtuosic desperation evident in Pynchon hews very close to my own discussion of &#8220;noodling&#8221; in this post. Going along with Rich&#8217;s comment, I think the idea that Bloom wanted to be a creative writer and failed should be completely non-controversial. Bloom himself notes that he wrote <i>The Anxiety of Influence</i>, ostensibly about creative artists, after a nervous breakdown and depressive period when he did nothing but read Emerson and Freud.</p>
<p>I get the gist of your second point, for sure &#8212; keeping faith with intelligence helps prevent us from judging people according to their success on the market. However, it makes so much more sense to describe Reardon as someone who has written two novels he can&#8217;t sell, than it does to describe him as someone intelligent. In the former case, society is unjustly ignoring him; in the latter, it&#8217;s too bad that the books don&#8217;t find an audience, but he could presumably do something else instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Piombino</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-9261</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Piombino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to imagine a more passionate defender of &quot;brilliance&quot; than Bloom, so I can see why you you brought him in. But I still think his *The Anxiety of Influence*has a lot to offer.
Some of my thoughts about your essay come out of working as a school social worker in NY for 25 years. I often get the feeling that in schools, and in society in general, the less people recognize the given talents and abilities of others, the more shrewdness is a valued and admired substituted for thinking.What happens when there is no status to be earned by intellectual accomplishments, according to the common sense idea that &quot;if you&#039;re so smart why aren&#039;t you rich?&quot; I just finished reading Gissing&#039;s *New Grub Street.* In part, it seems to me, the book is an indictment of contemporary culture&#039;s inability to benefit from the talents of those who cannot transpose their intellectual abilities into saleable skills. What would Gissing say now? I&#039;ll bet there are not a few poverty stricken bloggers out there; and who can make a living as an adjunct? Edwin Reardon, the main character in *New Grub Street* dies clearly as a result of disease brought on by malnutrition. He had written a couple of brilliant novels and waited too long to take a job as clerk because, if he didn&#039;t work as a brilliant intellectual, how were people to know he was one? In a rational and responsible society, it seems to me, it would be considered unethical to underrate people because the visible results of their talents do not match who they are as persons. People would then appraise others according to what they have to offer, not according to what they have been able to sell in themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine a more passionate defender of &#8220;brilliance&#8221; than Bloom, so I can see why you you brought him in. But I still think his *The Anxiety of Influence*has a lot to offer.<br />
Some of my thoughts about your essay come out of working as a school social worker in NY for 25 years. I often get the feeling that in schools, and in society in general, the less people recognize the given talents and abilities of others, the more shrewdness is a valued and admired substituted for thinking.What happens when there is no status to be earned by intellectual accomplishments, according to the common sense idea that &#8220;if you&#8217;re so smart why aren&#8217;t you rich?&#8221; I just finished reading Gissing&#8217;s *New Grub Street.* In part, it seems to me, the book is an indictment of contemporary culture&#8217;s inability to benefit from the talents of those who cannot transpose their intellectual abilities into saleable skills. What would Gissing say now? I&#8217;ll bet there are not a few poverty stricken bloggers out there; and who can make a living as an adjunct? Edwin Reardon, the main character in *New Grub Street* dies clearly as a result of disease brought on by malnutrition. He had written a couple of brilliant novels and waited too long to take a job as clerk because, if he didn&#8217;t work as a brilliant intellectual, how were people to know he was one? In a rational and responsible society, it seems to me, it would be considered unethical to underrate people because the visible results of their talents do not match who they are as persons. People would then appraise others according to what they have to offer, not according to what they have been able to sell in themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Puchalsky</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-9236</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Puchalsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick P.&#039;s blog apparently doesn&#039;t have comments.  Therefore, in response to &quot;He seems to feel the A of I was written because Bloom could not create literature on his own (has he wanted to?)&quot;, I should mention Bloom&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Flight To Lucifer: A Gnostic Fantasy&lt;/i&gt;.  This is an SF book that that Bloom wrote and later disavowed.  Worse, it&#039;s an SF book that he wrote that was so closely modelled on David Lindsay&#039;s &lt;i&gt;A Voyage To Acturus&lt;/i&gt; -- which Bloom has read hundreds of times -- that it nearly qualifies as fanfic.  I immediately felt that a whole lot about Bloom made sense as soon as I heard about this book, and generally think that this self-declared failure at a sub-sub-genre is far more sympathetic than any professed failure to be able to write like Milton would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick P.&#8217;s blog apparently doesn&#8217;t have comments.  Therefore, in response to &#8220;He seems to feel the A of I was written because Bloom could not create literature on his own (has he wanted to?)&#8221;, I should mention Bloom&#8217;s <i>The Flight To Lucifer: A Gnostic Fantasy</i>.  This is an SF book that that Bloom wrote and later disavowed.  Worse, it&#8217;s an SF book that he wrote that was so closely modelled on David Lindsay&#8217;s <i>A Voyage To Acturus</i> &#8212; which Bloom has read hundreds of times &#8212; that it nearly qualifies as fanfic.  I immediately felt that a whole lot about Bloom made sense as soon as I heard about this book, and generally think that this self-declared failure at a sub-sub-genre is far more sympathetic than any professed failure to be able to write like Milton would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Davis</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-9231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the spirit of Carl, here are manual trackbacks from:

http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/2007_07_15_archive.html#1433111387544818636

and

http://www.pseudopodium.org/ht-20070528.html#2007-07-15

I think Nicholas sharpened what might pass as my point much better than I did, though, so you might as well skip the second one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the spirit of Carl, here are manual trackbacks from:</p>
<p><a href="http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/2007_07_15_archive.html#1433111387544818636" rel="nofollow">http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/2007_07_15_archive.html#1433111387544818636</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pseudopodium.org/ht-20070528.html#2007-07-15" rel="nofollow">http://www.pseudopodium.org/ht-20070528.html#2007-07-15</a></p>
<p>I think Nicholas sharpened what might pass as my point much better than I did, though, so you might as well skip the second one.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-9182</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas,

I&#039;ve thought about your comment a great deal; I have no argument with your defense of tests of certain kinds of reasoning.

There are, for example, cases where a person who appears to be incapable of &quot;learning the material&quot; is having a different sort of problem, and high test scores bear this out. In some ways, this begs the question, since little else in life resembles a standardized reasoning test. Still, psychologists, educators, administrators, and admissions officers can all use unexpected contrasts to better understand their charges. I would argue that we should understand such contrasts in terms of environmental inhibitors for particular subjects, rather than in terms of &quot;repressed&quot; native intelligence.

Vocabulary is a great example of the Scylla and Charybdis of discussions about intelligence. On the one hand, it&#039;s fairly clear that young people have other skills that sort of &quot;compensate&quot; for their lack of reading skills (including their more limited knowledge of conventional English). They are better at interpreting visual signs, and perhaps also better at navigating different linguistic registers (e.g. using reference and slang).

On the other hand, a decreased vocabulary is not nothing. The ability to be articulate in a variety of different rhetorical situations depends partly on vocabulary. So, again, the point is not to find out where intelligence is &quot;hiding,&quot; but rather to evaluate performance in context, and try to understand what contradictions exist in our processes of acculturation and education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought about your comment a great deal; I have no argument with your defense of tests of certain kinds of reasoning.</p>
<p>There are, for example, cases where a person who appears to be incapable of &#8220;learning the material&#8221; is having a different sort of problem, and high test scores bear this out. In some ways, this begs the question, since little else in life resembles a standardized reasoning test. Still, psychologists, educators, administrators, and admissions officers can all use unexpected contrasts to better understand their charges. I would argue that we should understand such contrasts in terms of environmental inhibitors for particular subjects, rather than in terms of &#8220;repressed&#8221; native intelligence.</p>
<p>Vocabulary is a great example of the Scylla and Charybdis of discussions about intelligence. On the one hand, it&#8217;s fairly clear that young people have other skills that sort of &#8220;compensate&#8221; for their lack of reading skills (including their more limited knowledge of conventional English). They are better at interpreting visual signs, and perhaps also better at navigating different linguistic registers (e.g. using reference and slang).</p>
<p>On the other hand, a decreased vocabulary is not nothing. The ability to be articulate in a variety of different rhetorical situations depends partly on vocabulary. So, again, the point is not to find out where intelligence is &#8220;hiding,&#8221; but rather to evaluate performance in context, and try to understand what contradictions exist in our processes of acculturation and education.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Manning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating post. 

If I could just say one thing in defence of IQ testing in contemporary psychological practice (my mother is a practicing psychologist, so I have some vicarious insight): IQ testing is a very limited, partial aspect of intervention and assessment. It is, and should only ever be used, in the sense of a partial tool, which is to a large degree entirely subordinated to other measures such as judgement of emotional state or, for example, concrete behavioral intervention. That is, like any tool, it may tell you something, and open a door to inquiry. Like a specific element of the test, let&#039;s take vocabulary: nobody thinks this is entirely reliable, one may be fond of memorizing dictionaries, but generally it can be an indicator, nothing more. It suggests then, perhaps, certain routes to follow, and produces more questions to ask in an interventionist scenario where more weight will be given to such questions as &quot;In what way do you deal with this or that problem? Why do you choose these particular ways?&quot;. 

I just wonder whether we&#039;re not ignoring how some of these pure &quot;tools&quot; are actually quotidianly limited and employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post. </p>
<p>If I could just say one thing in defence of IQ testing in contemporary psychological practice (my mother is a practicing psychologist, so I have some vicarious insight): IQ testing is a very limited, partial aspect of intervention and assessment. It is, and should only ever be used, in the sense of a partial tool, which is to a large degree entirely subordinated to other measures such as judgement of emotional state or, for example, concrete behavioral intervention. That is, like any tool, it may tell you something, and open a door to inquiry. Like a specific element of the test, let&#8217;s take vocabulary: nobody thinks this is entirely reliable, one may be fond of memorizing dictionaries, but generally it can be an indicator, nothing more. It suggests then, perhaps, certain routes to follow, and produces more questions to ask in an interventionist scenario where more weight will be given to such questions as &#8220;In what way do you deal with this or that problem? Why do you choose these particular ways?&#8221;. </p>
<p>I just wonder whether we&#8217;re not ignoring how some of these pure &#8220;tools&#8221; are actually quotidianly limited and employed.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-6563</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WP,

Thanks so much! I wanted to highlight one sentence in particular from your notes, which puts the matter so very well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;...even if we wanted to take IQ as a measure of intelligence (which would seem problematic, once it’s exposed as more a measure of privilege), it’s likely to be the result of a whole series of different characteristics which have historically become valued, no one of which dictates IQ.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WP,</p>
<p>Thanks so much! I wanted to highlight one sentence in particular from your notes, which puts the matter so very well:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;even if we wanted to take IQ as a measure of intelligence (which would seem problematic, once it’s exposed as more a measure of privilege), it’s likely to be the result of a whole series of different characteristics which have historically become valued, no one of which dictates IQ.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/there-is-no-such-thing-as-intelligence/#comment-6536</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon! The airport wireless ate my response! I&#039;m so sorry, it was pretty long and cannot be reproduced before I have to board the plane.

In very short:

Intelligence is the &quot;capital&quot; that enables us to acquire specific skills, and the exchangeable return on investment for specific skills. Hence it is like money, whereas skill need not be sold on the market. Plenty of amateur musicians take pleasure in being skilled, as do amateur chess players, and so on. When it is a question of vocation, not avocation, obviously skill and performance have to be the main criteria.

The &quot;intelligence&quot; myth, rather than pleasure in skill, has saddled us with the binary of challenging works of art vs. pleasurable works of art. We feel &quot;guilty&quot; about pop culture because it&#039;s not &quot;intelligent&quot; enough to help us think better, a la the Mozart effect. (Meanwhile, of course, we don&#039;t really feel guilty at all.) I&#039;m not the one arguing for use-value; instead, I&#039;m arguing against the reduction of challenging art to the exercise of intelligence.

Complex immediacy -- a busy guitar solo, a frenzied Freudian packing (in the name of unpacking) of some hapless work of art -- should not be used as a wedge to dislodge culture or action from its historical context, in the name of supposedly irreproachable intellectual pleasures. Just because the punk/prog divide was a good opportunity for proving the point, does not mean that every prog album failed to have historical meaning. 

Sorry that these are mere notes; hopefully you can see where I was tending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon! The airport wireless ate my response! I&#8217;m so sorry, it was pretty long and cannot be reproduced before I have to board the plane.</p>
<p>In very short:</p>
<p>Intelligence is the &#8220;capital&#8221; that enables us to acquire specific skills, and the exchangeable return on investment for specific skills. Hence it is like money, whereas skill need not be sold on the market. Plenty of amateur musicians take pleasure in being skilled, as do amateur chess players, and so on. When it is a question of vocation, not avocation, obviously skill and performance have to be the main criteria.</p>
<p>The &#8220;intelligence&#8221; myth, rather than pleasure in skill, has saddled us with the binary of challenging works of art vs. pleasurable works of art. We feel &#8220;guilty&#8221; about pop culture because it&#8217;s not &#8220;intelligent&#8221; enough to help us think better, a la the Mozart effect. (Meanwhile, of course, we don&#8217;t really feel guilty at all.) I&#8217;m not the one arguing for use-value; instead, I&#8217;m arguing against the reduction of challenging art to the exercise of intelligence.</p>
<p>Complex immediacy &#8212; a busy guitar solo, a frenzied Freudian packing (in the name of unpacking) of some hapless work of art &#8212; should not be used as a wedge to dislodge culture or action from its historical context, in the name of supposedly irreproachable intellectual pleasures. Just because the punk/prog divide was a good opportunity for proving the point, does not mean that every prog album failed to have historical meaning. </p>
<p>Sorry that these are mere notes; hopefully you can see where I was tending.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eileen, thanks! I understand Kramer&#039;s motivation, but I can&#039;t see how it represents progress. In &lt;i&gt;Listening to Prozac&lt;/i&gt;, Kramer seemed aware that even in cases of clinical depression, treatment still had problematic elements, because illness stops speaking the moment modern treatment begins. In &lt;i&gt;Listening to Prozac&lt;/i&gt;, treatment was a difficult choice. It was a negotiation undertaken despite a fundamental mistrust of social norms. In &lt;i&gt;Against Depression&lt;/i&gt;, a mistaken return to the exigencies of treatment leaves us with a message that hardly differs from subway Public Service Announcements, except for Kramer&#039;s eagerness to assure us that he has also read Coleridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen, thanks! I understand Kramer&#8217;s motivation, but I can&#8217;t see how it represents progress. In <i>Listening to Prozac</i>, Kramer seemed aware that even in cases of clinical depression, treatment still had problematic elements, because illness stops speaking the moment modern treatment begins. In <i>Listening to Prozac</i>, treatment was a difficult choice. It was a negotiation undertaken despite a fundamental mistrust of social norms. In <i>Against Depression</i>, a mistaken return to the exigencies of treatment leaves us with a message that hardly differs from subway Public Service Announcements, except for Kramer&#8217;s eagerness to assure us that he has also read Coleridge.</p>
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