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	<description>What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence</description>
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		<title>By: Second Carnival of Radical Feminists &#171; Carnival of Radical Feminists</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-19967</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Carnival of Radical Feminists &#171; Carnival of Radical Feminists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] productive place to have one. Joseph Kugelmass of The Kugelmass Episodes has a post called “On Pitilessness” that does a nice job of articulating the problematic nature of flame wars. Here is an excerpt: The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] productive place to have one. Joseph Kugelmass of The Kugelmass Episodes has a post called “On Pitilessness” that does a nice job of articulating the problematic nature of flame wars. Here is an excerpt: The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Law Professors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Second Carnival of Radical Feminists</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-5388</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist Law Professors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Second Carnival of Radical Feminists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] productive place to have one. Joseph Kugelmass of The Kugelmass Episodes has a post called &#8220;On Pitilessness&#8221; that does a nice job of articulating the problematic nature of flame wars. Here is an excerpt: The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] productive place to have one. Joseph Kugelmass of The Kugelmass Episodes has a post called &#8220;On Pitilessness&#8221; that does a nice job of articulating the problematic nature of flame wars. Here is an excerpt: The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad H. Roth</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad H. Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touché--you made me laugh out loud! But then, that was back in the 17th century, or some such, wasn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touché&#8211;you made me laugh out loud! But then, that was back in the 17th century, or some such, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conrad:

Of course, as a matter of historical accuracy, we are obliged to turn to your response to my first Valve post, where, as I recall, you characterized my writing as a &quot;particularly mephitic exhalation.&quot; 

&lt;b&gt;Mephitic&lt;/b&gt;
   1. Esp. of a gas or vapour: offensive to the smell, foul-smelling; noxious, &lt;b&gt;poisonous&lt;/b&gt;, pestilential. Also fig. Now arch. and literary.

***

But that was then, this is now. Thank you for your kind compliment; I am very flattered that you (and Nanette in the previous post) spent some days forming your opinion of what was posted here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conrad:</p>
<p>Of course, as a matter of historical accuracy, we are obliged to turn to your response to my first Valve post, where, as I recall, you characterized my writing as a &#8220;particularly mephitic exhalation.&#8221; </p>
<p><b>Mephitic</b><br />
   1. Esp. of a gas or vapour: offensive to the smell, foul-smelling; noxious, <b>poisonous</b>, pestilential. Also fig. Now arch. and literary.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>But that was then, this is now. Thank you for your kind compliment; I am very flattered that you (and Nanette in the previous post) spent some days forming your opinion of what was posted here.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad H. Roth</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1346</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad H. Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nastiness makes another person out to be a plague, a poison, a sick or defective individual. Humor makes another person out to be foolish. We are all foolish sometimes; that takes forgiveness. Nobody should be treated like a plague.&quot;

I must admit, I&#039;ve been turning this one over for a couple of days, and I quite like it. Well put. While I have sometimes thought you foolish, I have never thought you poisonous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nastiness makes another person out to be a plague, a poison, a sick or defective individual. Humor makes another person out to be foolish. We are all foolish sometimes; that takes forgiveness. Nobody should be treated like a plague.&#8221;</p>
<p>I must admit, I&#8217;ve been turning this one over for a couple of days, and I quite like it. Well put. While I have sometimes thought you foolish, I have never thought you poisonous.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kugelmass</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1283</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kugelmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Profacero, girldetective, tomemos: thanks!

Heather, thank you for writing in.

Most feminist blogs have a mixture of male and female readers and commenters, so nothing happening there is the fault of women &lt;i&gt;qua&lt;/i&gt; women. 

You may not have experienced nastiness, name-calling, bullying, and other such harassment from a man, but many women do experience that or worse on a daily basis. That is one of the reasons the feminist blogosphere exists. 

I am certain that feminist bloggers do not care what a man thinks, as a &lt;i&gt;man&lt;/i&gt;, when he clicks on a feminist blog and reads the proceedings. They would really want to avoid thinking of a feminist blog as a sort of performance intended to win the approval of sympathetic males.

Your characterization of the sorts of nastiness that can take over the blogosphere (anywhere, not just on a feminist blog), and the way it has affected your participation, makes a lot of sense to me. I am, however, uncomfortable with the way your comment characterizes each gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Profacero, girldetective, tomemos: thanks!</p>
<p>Heather, thank you for writing in.</p>
<p>Most feminist blogs have a mixture of male and female readers and commenters, so nothing happening there is the fault of women <i>qua</i> women. </p>
<p>You may not have experienced nastiness, name-calling, bullying, and other such harassment from a man, but many women do experience that or worse on a daily basis. That is one of the reasons the feminist blogosphere exists. </p>
<p>I am certain that feminist bloggers do not care what a man thinks, as a <i>man</i>, when he clicks on a feminist blog and reads the proceedings. They would really want to avoid thinking of a feminist blog as a sort of performance intended to win the approval of sympathetic males.</p>
<p>Your characterization of the sorts of nastiness that can take over the blogosphere (anywhere, not just on a feminist blog), and the way it has affected your participation, makes a lot of sense to me. I am, however, uncomfortable with the way your comment characterizes each gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a lurker of the feminists blogs.  I have been reading for about 2 months now, never commenting and I do not have a blog either, but I find a lot of the writing very interesting because it&#039;s a place where I feel like I can learn about something I do not know a lot about.  I have to say that when I initially started reading certain feminists blogs, I was very impressed with the way the women interacted with one another.  There seemed to be a real camaraderie and respect amongst women and since I was basically a reader of &quot;mommy blogs&quot; I found that really refreshing.  A lot of the &quot;mommy blogs&quot; for lack of a better term, were always turning into mini soap operas where the women would resort to name calling and condescension that I found offensive and demeaning.  

But then I started reading some feminists blogs and I thought I had stepped into an entirely different world.  A topic was written about and women flocked to discuss the topic and for the most part, what I saw I liked. Shortly thereafter, I started seeing the same sort of flaming going on in the feminists blogs that I saw in the &quot;mommy blogs&quot; and it was discouraging to me-- the name calling, the bashing, the anger, the ganging up on those who presented a different point of view and I did not dare offer up a comment for fear of being on the receiving end of that sort of attack because this is new to me, after all, and I am bound to write the wrong thing and insult someone.  I do not have an army of people to step up and support me should I blunder, and so it is easier to remain on the sidelines, quietly observing.

This is what I believe with my heart, however:  as women, we can be our own worst enemies sometimes.  Every time I see someone point their finger in the direction of a man and hear them say that the patriarchy is to blame, what I am thinking is that we as women do not support each other the way we should be supporting each other and this is what men see when they click open these blogs.  Why should we demand respect from men when we do not demand it from each other, that is what I want to know?  I have seen such degrading remarks made about women BY women, and never, ever have I experienced this sort of name-calling from a man towards myself.  It has been my experience that women attack me more viciously than any man ever has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a lurker of the feminists blogs.  I have been reading for about 2 months now, never commenting and I do not have a blog either, but I find a lot of the writing very interesting because it&#8217;s a place where I feel like I can learn about something I do not know a lot about.  I have to say that when I initially started reading certain feminists blogs, I was very impressed with the way the women interacted with one another.  There seemed to be a real camaraderie and respect amongst women and since I was basically a reader of &#8220;mommy blogs&#8221; I found that really refreshing.  A lot of the &#8220;mommy blogs&#8221; for lack of a better term, were always turning into mini soap operas where the women would resort to name calling and condescension that I found offensive and demeaning.  </p>
<p>But then I started reading some feminists blogs and I thought I had stepped into an entirely different world.  A topic was written about and women flocked to discuss the topic and for the most part, what I saw I liked. Shortly thereafter, I started seeing the same sort of flaming going on in the feminists blogs that I saw in the &#8220;mommy blogs&#8221; and it was discouraging to me&#8211; the name calling, the bashing, the anger, the ganging up on those who presented a different point of view and I did not dare offer up a comment for fear of being on the receiving end of that sort of attack because this is new to me, after all, and I am bound to write the wrong thing and insult someone.  I do not have an army of people to step up and support me should I blunder, and so it is easier to remain on the sidelines, quietly observing.</p>
<p>This is what I believe with my heart, however:  as women, we can be our own worst enemies sometimes.  Every time I see someone point their finger in the direction of a man and hear them say that the patriarchy is to blame, what I am thinking is that we as women do not support each other the way we should be supporting each other and this is what men see when they click open these blogs.  Why should we demand respect from men when we do not demand it from each other, that is what I want to know?  I have seen such degrading remarks made about women BY women, and never, ever have I experienced this sort of name-calling from a man towards myself.  It has been my experience that women attack me more viciously than any man ever has.</p>
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		<title>By: tomemos</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>tomemos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth noting that Lawrence also lets the rider speak for himself: after that incident in &lt;em&gt;Women In Love&lt;/em&gt;, Gerald goes on to mount a fairly eloquent defense of his actions, saying that the horse is only valuable to him, and therefore valuable as a horse, insofar as it will do what he wants.  Of course, we know what eventually happens to &lt;em&gt;him.&lt;/em&gt;  Lawrence was certainly familiar with the urge to use violence to bend people, things, and ideas to one&#039;s will, and the importance of resisting that urge.

I agree that this is a good post, not least because it proves that reasoned, civil argument can also be strongly-worded, biting, and uncompromising.  The dichotomy between polite, unoffensive prose and full-throated attack is completely spurious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that Lawrence also lets the rider speak for himself: after that incident in <em>Women In Love</em>, Gerald goes on to mount a fairly eloquent defense of his actions, saying that the horse is only valuable to him, and therefore valuable as a horse, insofar as it will do what he wants.  Of course, we know what eventually happens to <em>him.</em>  Lawrence was certainly familiar with the urge to use violence to bend people, things, and ideas to one&#8217;s will, and the importance of resisting that urge.</p>
<p>I agree that this is a good post, not least because it proves that reasoned, civil argument can also be strongly-worded, biting, and uncompromising.  The dichotomy between polite, unoffensive prose and full-throated attack is completely spurious.</p>
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		<title>By: girldetective</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>girldetective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!</description>
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		<title>By: profacero</title>
		<link>http://kugelmass.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/on-pitilessness/#comment-1203</link>
		<dc:creator>profacero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I have to go do official Work. So I&#039;ll just say the opposite of boredom isn&#039;t flame wars, it&#039;s engagement. There are stronger ways of being un-bourgeois than by engaging in flame wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I have to go do official Work. So I&#8217;ll just say the opposite of boredom isn&#8217;t flame wars, it&#8217;s engagement. There are stronger ways of being un-bourgeois than by engaging in flame wars.</p>
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